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Re: Ivan and Jimmy

Agree with you on Trevor (or is it Ted) Britton - he is a very crafty bowler and has the ability to take key wickets for CIYMS. Surprised he hasn't had a call up over the last few years given that he played for Ireland A in the past and is a consistent wicket taker in any league he has played.

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I agree with Ivan - Trevor Britton is one of the most underrated spinners in not only the NCU but also all of Ulster. Also a very useful late middle order bat

Pete's team using the criteria he outlined doesn't look far off the mark. Greg Thompson would be another name in the mix, Trevor Brittan turns out good figures most weeks and could be preferred to Mulder. Strong pace attack with four internationals.,

Re: Pete's team

A good side, but Jamie Holmes should surely be in there to strengthen the batting order, as of the Irish qualified batsmen, only James Hall and James Shannon finished ahead of him in the 2015 NCU Premier League averages. He is also one of the best fielders in the league, and a handy leg-spinner.

It must now be time for the Knights to give him another go, as they have not selected him since the T20 Inter pros in 2013 when he gave a reasonable account of himself. He is now based in the Province and has been steadily improving as a player since then.

Hopefully he will finally be given a chance to prove himself in 2016. Jamie is only 23 and still has ambitions to play for Ireland, and he has shown a genuine committment to NCU and Irish cricket by playing here since 2011.

Very good side Pete. Might be a useful exercise if we could troll readers to find out if this would be the team of their choice.

Re:Wylie
Is it not a case that Johnny Thompson has never been considered for selection for Knights and therefore never asked

With all this talk about interpros would this be the strongest team in all forms (excluding pros, retired internationals and assuming everyone would make themselves available)

1. James Hall
2. Chris Dougherty (WK)
3. Ryan Haire
4. James Shannon
5. Lee Nelson
6. Max Sorensen
7. Jonny Thompson
8. Graeme McCarter
9. Gary Kidd
10. Jacob Mulder
11. Phil Eaglestone

Cheers Clarence. Always great to debate cricket with you. Nowadays it takes a lot less pints to make me loud and irrational . Lol

Ivan,
Agreed on NCU geographical boundaries. In practical terms anything 'artificial' could neither be defended in law or policed in practice. (Although they said that about the border when it was established in 1921). LOL. You have identified one method, namely where the player plays, and that's the current ruling. This is an interprovincial and not an international, so it works in practical terms, but not to the satisfaction of everyone. The North-West are unhappy because their best players are being pillaged by a rival, some of these players are unhappy because they can't play for their province and many NCU clubs are unhappy because their emerging young players won't get opportunities at the higher level. I can't speak for hard-working NCU youth coaches but I would guess they share this view. Some of the best NCU players are not enthused by the Interpros. If so many people are unhappy with the current set-up how can it be right?
We need to get back to managing and promoting cricket from the bottom up and not from the top down. At club level we need to develop a stronger base to secure a better future and there are signs within the NCU that union and visionary clubs have embraced this philosophy. However, I'm not sure CI has bought into it. The current Interpro tournament doesn't work other than providing a showpiece requirement for attaining test status. It has to be there, but currently it has too many flaws and in my opinion, doesn't serve club or interprovincial interests. This is a big topic, but compare Leinster to NCU and North-West and ask yourself is it a level playing field?
PS
My pint these days is water so the debate won't deteriorate the way it did in the old days! LOL

Clarence
Probably be more fun discussing this over a pint but surely the ultimate objective of the interpros is to identify players who are potential internationals regardless of age.
Will we only find out how good the likes of Gary McClintock is by having him face Max Sorenson and Graeme McCarter rather than lesser bowlers .
I don't accept that if they are good enough they will get selected is a throwaway line. As you move up the standards very few teams want to "carry a player " just because he's young .
Talk about picking players from other unions . Surely a player is only registered with one Union as a player and while he's with a club in that union then - that's his union. To penalise player movement by not selecting them for the inter pro's could surely be construed as an obstacle preventing a player from earning a living. I'm sure that's why the NCU have what seems a strange rule where a NW player is considered " in the NCU area ". I'm sure that's to stop any restraint of trade challenges under N I law.

Ivan,
I don't think it is about ticking boxes, it is about identifying the objectives and then setting a strategy in place to achieve them. We don't know the NCU strategy, but it seems somewhere in between trying to field a competitive team and bringing through emerging talent. If this is the case they are falling between two stools and getting criticized from both sectors. Better to have one objective and stick to it. And I don't buy that throwaway comment "if they are good enough they'll come through." It has no substance. Emerging young players need opportunities and nurturing to establish them at higher levels, not just in cricket but throughout team sports. The best results come from this approach. This doesn't close the door on older players either, because you can't ignore the form book. If the NCU pick the players from other unions then they are not only depriving our emerging players, but draining the other unions of their best players. This doesn't help the Interpro' tournament.

if you where to judge the northern knights games on spectator numbers its not really a runaway success i think you would find the money paid to the players is a divisise issue and is already ruining the premier league as a fair competition players who want to play for ireland usually get picked after county championship experience and that is not going to change in the near future so why not use these games as a showcase of young emerging cricketers who i suspect would gladly play for free but since they already get paid at their clubs a dangerous precedent has been set one which i think their is no going back

Clarence I'm not sure how picking your best team excludes the good young players. If they are good enough they will get picked. If CI have only a ticks a box interest as I think you are suggesting then we will get ticks a box selection, ticks a box interest from spectators.