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Roy,
Where in the "Dundrum Boys" posts do they actually put their view across? Jeff hinted that he 'thought the 10 team league would get voted in' but in his words he's 'not convinced its the best way forward'.
If you read my post it refers to what takes place at the AGM that I am taking issue with. Its not the league structure that we are talking about here. Eg, Bruce Topping and the boys in Donaghcloney are relegated at the moment, but after the AGM they may not be, thats the issue and obviously that's no disrepect to the 'cloney lads, who are a good bunch!
What happens next year if this 10 team section 1 goes ahead, can we decide at 2012 AGM to change it back to 8 teams, therefore relegating teams who were safe? No-one has actually answered this question yet. We have our reasons for where our vote is going at the AGM and if you PM me after the event, I'll tell you what that reason is. If 8 teams are kept, we will likely to be in the relegation dog-fight more often, so your comments don't add up really.
And for your information, we didn't win any league matches in April or May.

Roy its nothing to do with drumming up support its about opinions and like a$$eholes everyone has to have one . The reason that we were struggling late on was down to simple facts of not enought committment from the players to play 2 games a weekend and throw in the fact that we have small squad that are good enough to play section1 and work committments was the only reason that we didnt maintain our very good first half win 7 wins and a tie in ten games but think finishing fifth and winning the 20t shield and getting 3 junior teams out was a very successful year for a thriving junior club not to mention coaching in 4 primary schools so just in case your not well enough informed Dundrum will enjoy our fight to play at the highest section but will still be playing cricket even if it is at section 3 .Ill also let you no we always discuss the proposals at committee level as its very important to get your clubs views but the point is we all agred that even if we were in bottom four that we would vote for 8 team leagues . Maybe Warren Deutrom will be up and convince the same members as he undoubtably did last year as believe me he changed quite few votes that night with a very good passionate reason for 8 team leagues and long term improving the standard .PS Roy even if it is ten teams or eight ill have 50£ bet with that we dont get relegated next season ?unless they change the rules mid season .lol

Hi Andy,
In response to your question I think there was an All Ireland Junior Cup many years ago when you were still in short trousers. I don't recall it but my Mummy told me about it! Great to see you back with your 'Buckna Breezes".

Peter , i totally agree and add the most important day that should be closed is the senior cup final but it probably wont. If we go with ten team leagues in my opinion it will be backward step in improving the standard but just find it hard comprehend that the AGM is now losing out as who knows each year the rules will be changed mid season . Id really like see the VOTE on the league structures being on a PAPER BALLOT that way its crystal clear as who votes for and againest as last year it was shambles with most unsure the second time who voted for what with some clubs voting againest themselves . This way on paper no one can be in any doubt if it gets a majority or not as a show of hands when it is close is a shambolic way of counting in this day and age as last year it was rushed through when it looked as if it needed a further recount .If they were 8 teams then the ulster cup could be couple sat games as well which im sure would be more suitable .

Looks like the Dundrum committee members have had a meeting in order to drum up support for the original motion passed at last years meeting ! The NCU in my opinion did a great job with the roadshows and have listened to what the clubs below the Premier section want! But as the Dundrum boys have stated they would still feel the same if their own club had finished in the relegation zone !!! Perhaps what they are really saying is fewer league games would suit them because once they registered some early season wins they struggled to get a competitive team out for there mayches later on in the season.

Godd job by the NCU - LETS GO WITH WHAT SUITS CLUBS AT SECTION 1 AND BELOW - MOST CLUBS WANT TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL LEAGUE CAMPAIGN AND NOT HAVE IT REDUCED TO 14 MATCHES !!!!!!!!!

I think the All Ireland Junior Cup is a good idea but will this not lead to a fixture back log, if the ten team league in section 1 and section 2 go through that will mean:-
18 league games,
A cup fixture,
A closed date for and international.
An All Ireland Junior cup game (section 1 + 2 teams of Section 2)
(21 fixtures)

Add to this the weather, rearrangements, a cup run, the Ulster Shield(On sunday), some teams not playing on sundays and I think you will find alot of teams playing double weekends,midweek 2 nighters, shortened rearrangements, and a disproportionate level of games in september when teams are not at full strength.

Alot of clubs will not agree with this but I feel that a structure of 8,8 10 and 11 is the most practical solution to the league structre and fixtures. So in section 1 you still have 14 league games plus the fixtures as outlined about but you have some flexibility in rearranging games for saturdays.

I think NCU has done a good job in running the roadshows and recognising that most players/clubs below premier league want 10 team leagues. I hope the new motion is passed. I also welcome the irish junior cup and would love to travel to Cork/Dublin to play cricket. Its all about experiencing new places and people.

thanks to Wylie for the clarification. However this brings into question the value of decisions passed at AGMs. On a separate issue - can anyone recall a North-v-South competiton between teams from the lower leagues? I seem to remember North IV (as winners of the 4th Division Section I) playing against a Dublin side in the mid to late 70s

Wylie,
Let's turn the tables here. If, at the 2010 AGM, it was passed to have 8,10,10 and 9, and the working group got the opposite feedback than what they got, ie, 8,8,8,13...from clubs, would the NCU then have had to relegate extra clubs this year? I think not. In my own opinion it makes what is agreed at the AGM a farce. It was agreed at AGM for 2011 season and should stay that way until 2011 AGM decides differently for 2012 unless an EGM is called.... And if my club was in the relegation mix, like Jeff, my opinion would obviously be the same.

Andy
Sorry to say but you are confused and are actually now confusing the issue.
At the 2010 NCU AGM (not 2011 as in your post) clubs agreed to reduce sections in Division 1 to 8, 8, 8 and 13 teams respectively. At the road-shows during the summer a sizeable majority felt that the sections below the premier league would now be playing too little cricket as compared to previous years and proposed setting the section sizes at 8, 10, 10, 9 respectively.
So in fact LESS teams will relegated if this proposal goes through this year.
The Cricket Ireland Cricket Committee has confused the issue further by throwing the idea of an all-Ireland Junior Cup in to the mix. How many teams in Section 1 (and maybe Section 2) will look forward to an overnight trip (and the associated costs) to Cork or South Dublin?

must stillbe jet lagged - I meant the 2010 AGM decisions

Re 2011 AGM

My understanding it that the proposal to reduce all senior leagues to 8 teams was agreed with the caveat that a discussion with all cluns would determine the eventual outcome. During the road shows all clubs were represneted and it as felt that a 8, 10, 10, 9 was better than 8, 8, 8, 13.

By speaking to all clubs about the changes, I feel the NCU have done a good job on this issue.

The Junior Irish cup competition sounds interesting. I see that the proposal recommends ten NCU teams qualfying. If the 8 PL Clubs are in the BKISC, plus two more from Section 1, that would require two Section 2 clubs as well as then other 8 from Section 1. If the competition is to be played in 2012, what options do we have for qualification? If last seasons league positions are used it is not straight forward with the section 2 title being shared by Templepatrick, L'Vale and Academy.

re Jeff's comments I must admit to being confused about what is happening - some people would say that it is easy to confuse me (too many digs to the head on the rugby field!) but could anyone confirm for me that the decisions taken at the AGM 2011 have been superceded by the report of the working group. It appears to be at variance with my sense of fair play to relegate more teams than had been anticipated at the start of 2011 - or as I say perhaps I'm just a confused old man!!

is the website not working at the minute i am surprised no one has replied to jeff's comments as he made some valid points.