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Andy McCrea Re "I'm sure you understand the difference....."

Andy in my eyes all's fair in love and war. Any competitive person will want what's best for their club be that hold on to their talented players or invite players from other clubs who you feel will add to your team. It's an individuals choice at the end of the day and unless there's a transfer policy introduced which states that all talks must be between club chairmen or what ever we aren't going to stop individuals be they captains or just players letting people know there is an opportunity for them to play at a higher level.
This has gone on for over 40 years. Jimmy Boyce had a great system for recruiting players to Ballymena in the 70's. He invited them as "guests" on the tour to Blackpool and then got three or four days to work on them for the following season.
It's not going to stop now and I think it keeps everyone on their toes.

RE Dave -
Sorry for not getting back to sooner. I don’t think I should name and shame on here. It was just to highlight the issue, we know the person (s) / club (s).

Also RE Ivan -
Your quote from earlier…………

"It also helps distinguish why players are "poached" or are "allegedly poached". It's healthy for players to want to play at the highest level possible. It happens in all sports so we shouldn't make such an issue over it when one of "ours" wants to better themselves and move to Senior cricket."

I am sure you are well aware between the difference of someone wanting to move ( for self betterment ) and someone not even considering moving but being phoned up by another club and suggesting a move.

These two things are completely different I my eyes !!!
This does not come across in your quote.

Andy

Hi Ivan,
As always plenty to think and talk about in your emails. We'll check out the hat-trick claim and of course the umpire as I recall you always fostered good terms with the White Coat Brigade. Once I see the umpire I won't even need to check the book! Monty was a master of such situations and I never understood why Freddie was called the Legend and not John McCormick. The only thing missing on your own cricket CV was that you never played for North Down although you did spend a lot of time there as my liver will attest! Amazing to think we are still trying to sort out cricket after over 30 years!
Thanks for the book plug.

Hi Dan,
Cricket Ireland has a different agenda and you need to look into their figures in more detail to evaluate their significance within our area. Let's be parochial in the true Ulster style and look at the key benchmarks that affect us-Are more players playing than 10 years ago? Have clubs the same number of teams? Are more spectators watching matches? Are less players staying within the game? Umpiring standards are higher than ever but we have fewer of them! Why? Is schools cricket moving forward or backward? Why have we lost university cricket? Are we getting more media coverage? Are sponsors increasing in number? Is our Senior Cup final a showpiece worthy of the occasion? Are cricketers supporting representative cricket? Have we any representative cricket outside the national team?
I suspect the answers to these probing questions will highlight decline. I'd love it to be otherwise so that's why we need to tackle the problems now and come up with solutions.

Clarence, I think Cricket Scotland used their muscle and rescinded what the clubs proposed. I don't think there's as much money floating about NCU cricket for young players as people think. I think the enticements are simply to play at a higher level. I agree with the feeder club mentality and believe it can work both ways.From what I remember you were never a big fan of the "gamesmanship". Big Andy's think tank sits again next week and I'm sure he has a few ideas up his sleeve for us already. I'm not sure where the stats come from about the numbers playing cricket in Ireland but like you I would have thought it's on the decline but would be optomistic it can be reversed if the enthusiasm of Andy's think tank is anything to go by.
By the way the book is terrific but I recall getting a hat trick v Academy in 1983 for Saintfield and it's not credited to me although it does show 3 wickets against my name in the scorecard. I thought it was a cup match as I don't recall them being in our League that season.( I might have even just dreamt it, although I sort of recall a couple of lbws and maybe even a stumping by Norwood ( no that bit's definitely a dream ).It highlighted to me as well just how good a player Fred Ashton was , he featured regularily in the Muckamore run scorers for a lot of years, and John McCormick scoring 91 against Lisburn and Dermot when he was 44 years of age.John tells the story that Monteith went up to him and said " your in the 90's " and the rest is history. Lucky enough I seemed to get some wickets to warrant a mention in the scorecards so I could see which club I was with at different times.
I would recommend it to every cricket fan.

Clarence :

What do you mean by popularity of cricket is in decline? Cricket Ireland would like us to believe that the numbers playing cricket in the last 5/6 years in Ireland has nearly doubled to 30,000.

Ivan, like yourself I was interested in the Scottish decision although it appears to have been rescinded and may well cause more division than ever. Our current structure allows young and ambitious players the opportunity to move up the ladder but the enticement for money is what many people dislike. At the end of the day it is the players themselves that make the decisions to move or not. Premier clubs could also develop and assist junior clubs and build a relationship where players can move up and if it doesn't work out then return to their club. Enticement been around for ever and will not disappear. Best versus Best already happens in the NCU and until there is a strong lobby from the PLAYERS to have an Ulster League then it won't happen. Right now that lobby does not exist. I'd like to see a concerted effort made to get more umpires, get Queen's University back into NCU cricket, enhance the promotion of the Senior Cup final, practice zero tolerance for dissent/gamesmanship/sledging and bigger efforts made to bring spectators back to the game. You guys showed it can be done at Moylena. I hope big Andy's Think-tank isn't taking the winter off! They have sparked a lot of change and visionary thinking from their workshops and we need them to continue the good work. The popularity of cricket is in decline so we need to do things to revitalize it.

Just read the new proposed structure for Senior Cricket in Scotland. Only 32 Senior Clubs. In Northern Ireland with about 1/3 of the population we have 55 or 56 "Senior" clubs.
If we really want to raise standards do we need to bite the bullet on best v best and have a recognised Senior and Junior cricket clubs structure. Is it better to be a top Junior club than a bottom Senior club ?
It also helps distinguish why players are "poached" or are "allegedly poached". It's healthy for players to want to play at the highest level possible. It happens in all sports so we shouldn't make such an issue over it when one of "ours" wants to better themselves and move to Senior cricket.
When you see some of the travel distances even in this new structure in Scotland then Belfast to Derry shouldn't be an issue.
I know we have made some structural changes as we aim to get a best v best in the NCU but maybe it's still a "work in progress" to close the gap between club and interpro and ultimately international cricket. At the moment we are ahead of our Celtic rivals so let's make sure it stays that way.

Wylie,

Yes the finals day at one venue with 2 grounds over 2 days. Weather of course could be an issue but sure where would we be if we allowed for scheduling owing to weather. One venue over 2 days best 6/8 teams would also attract a significant sponsor. Have a reserve Sunday also for a wet weekend.

Wylie :

My suggestion won't work this coming season as it has been reduced to 8 teams. I personally would leave it as 4 groups of 3 as before. Run the group stages over 3 consecutive Sundays, with each team being at home & playing the other 2 in the group. If it rains, it is a no result & 2pts to each side. Then the top of each group goes to final's day at somewhere like North Down or Inst who have 2 pitches. Final's day would be great on a closed Saturday, but probably easier to do on a closed Sunday. Just my thoughts.

re Twenty20 set up.
Matt/Ryan - One venue(?) and played on one weekend sounds good on paper until the weekend for the fixtures turns out to be wet and then what do you do?
What about players/supporters/umpires from outside the Premier League who would have normal league fixtures that weekend and can't get to see the games?
At the final in 2011 at Shaw's Bridge there was a good crowd and not all were from the participating clubs.
I'd be interested in other views.

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RE Matt..

Have to agree I think the players / supporters and all involved would like a welcome break from the league etc for a weekend of 20/20 action at the one venue. As a biased individual I must say the best T20 experience / comp was in 2009 at the Green. Those concerned with fixtures will say every Sat is precious but the game is changing and so must unions.

Andy: Ref. P.O.H's conundrum,

Would it be in order for the umpires before play commences to direct each captain to communicate with eachother and sort that one out for themselves ?
Or if that fails tell them to go and look at the score book, it has to be down on paper whose doing what, before commencement of play !

As Paddy says, it's not in black & white in the rules book, so the onus shouldn't be put on the umpires to carry out the skipper's homework...as it were.

That's my take on it anyway !

NCU 20/20 competition

Does anyone else not think that the NCU are missing a trick with this? Why have any fixtures in this competition during the week? The group stages could be sorted on a Saturday or Sunday, with the "Home" team being able to market the competition & give the event the support the sponsors deserve?