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craig, thats why it is 50 overs not 20
Just thinking….
60 over Cricket - where & when will Ireland ever play a 60 over game!!!???
You have to prepare the future of Irish Cricket in an environment that will help to develop their game(s) and 60 over Cricket is not that!
I’m yet to play in this season’s Challenge Cup, so forgive me if I’m wrong but in my opinion it should be the same rules as the Irish Senior Cup (Full ODI rules with power play etc), surely if you want to make any changes to the current Cup format then this would make the most/best logical sense for change.
Regarding Pro’s playing in the Challenge Cup – if you want a competition to be fair to all clubs evolved then you need one set of rules & conditions to apply to all clubs/teams. The Competition should not be there to give the underdog a helping hand and currently it does.
From my own playing point of view I couldn’t care less who we play as long as the rules are the same for both teams, simply surely…… however it never is!
Good luck to all the teams still involved in this season's Challenge Cup.
yeah but you also have to players can can play for long innings and not 20/20 slogging
craig, 60 overs shouldnt be brought back in as irish cricket needs to move with the times. 60 over competitions went out with the ark. In an environment where we are trying to get more young people to become interested in cricket or continue to play, lenghtening games would certainly not be the way forward to do so.
re ryan h
y do u think that 60 overs shouldnt be brought back in the challange cup. its called the challenge cup. they need to make it a challenge.
Re Rodney...
All Premier League "pros" are not necessarity first class players! We have a club cricketer Daniel Harding at NDCC.
If a club has taken the initiative and signed a pro they must be rewarded by the union allowing him to play in all competitions irrespective of opponents.
Re Craig McK - No!
do u think that the challenge cup should be back to 60 overs a side
Rodney
I'm not sure the Premier Clubs would go for the idea of them not being allowed to play their Pros but Section 1 are - despite the difference in playing standards!
My own thought is that the 12 o'clock start for the Challenge Cup still harks back to the days when it was a 60 over competition and hence the earlier start time at this time of the year than say the Junior Cup.
I agree wylie thats what the AGM is for however regarding what rule is best I would propose allowing section 1 pros to play and preventing premier league pros from playing against teams from a lesser league. If you think about it, the pros in Section 1 aren't really pros because they come over as amateurs and the NCU don't allow first class players. Surely the premier league teams would still be strong enough to beat the section 1 teams even if the section 1 teams have a pro in their side? If not then does it not tell you something about the standard of cricket in the premier league?
Regarding the start times I can see why the NCU have not taken in to consideration school boys as most clubs playing in the challenge cup won't have school boys in their side (maybe I'm wrong), however it's maybe a proposal that should be made at the AGM.
Just a thought.
Rodney
Jeff and others - it was us at Lisburn who proposed the change to the rule about professionals in the cup. Anyone who was at that AGM will no doubt remember it well, particularly the "debate" I engaged in with Murray Power over the wording of the changes. Our first preference was to just simply remove the ban and allow pros to play (as you have suggested should be the case), but despite that explanation being provided in the narrative accompanying our proposal, because of a technical drafting error, we could not move it at the meeting.
We had put in the rule that was eventually passed as a fallback - our thinking was that there may be lower section clubs, like yourselves, who might feel that it would be unfair for a PL club to play their pro against theirs, as the NCU rules are different in terms of the playing standards of the pro in PL and in Section 1. Despite a similar drafting issue being raised by Murray, and a fairly lengthy conversation about it,we were able to get round that on the night and have it passed. However, it was, I repeat, our second preference.
Wylie is right though - it can be changed at the AGM. It will certainly get the backing of Lisburn CC if you want to prepare it - just be very careful about how you draft it!!!!!!!!
re: disillusioned with the NCU rule book
This rule (26a) has been in place for at least one if not two years - why did Jeff (or his club) not propose a change to this rule regarding "pros" from different sections playing against each other in the Challenge Cup at last years NCU AGM – this scenario has happened before as Saintfield fell foul of this rule last year I think as they wanted to play their “pro” against a team from a higher section.
The 12 o’clock start time is also a rule that can be changed at an NCU AGM . . . . . . if the clubs want to that is of course.
jeff, as you said rules are rules, the same rules applied last year in the challenge cup, and it doesnt only affect Dundrum it affects all the lower league clubs.
I would say the NCU brought in the rule as the pro's in the premier league tend to be of a higher standard that those in section 1 as they play first class cricket so they probably feel it would benefit the lower clubs more by not playing pro's.
You have been very quiet over the winter jeff, has this ruling woken you up?
RE Jeff Maguire
That's the problem with common sense it's not very common!!!!!!
And we wonder why we can't retain or recruit young players......
editor . chairman ncu sent me email ref rule a26 (joke imo) stating that if both teams agreed too play pros we both be thrown out as we are junior club and rule is supposed too help us .lol be back later hopefully not as cross!
